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Inspired by the very successful, hot and well debated discussions on Consultancy Fee Structure, SEFI is expanding the issue to a full fledged econference on "The State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education in India".


The econference will be from today, Feb 8 to Feb 21. As the topic is vast, in order to manage the discussions, SEFI has divided the econference broadly into five topics each of which have their own Subject Moderator. The subjects are only broad indicators and the econference is not confined to just these topics but may be extended to relevant subjects.


Structural Engineering Practice is going through trying times. Some industry seniors have gone so far as to calling it a sunset industry. It is quite probable that in the next ten years time,structural engineering practice as what we know it today will cease to exist. What will emerge in its place can only be speculated upon.But it is increasingly apparent that there is a deep churn that demands ponderance.



a)Quality of Services of Structural Engineers and the conflicted Architect -Structural Engineer relationship-Moderator: Er. Hemant Vadalkar, Mumbai

• Why is there a deterioration in services of structural engineers?
  
• Increasingly conflicted relationship with architects due to poor and delayed payments and compromised structural options as a result of which most engineers do not wish to work for architects.
  
• Roles and responsibilities of Structural Engineers
  
• How do we define and maintain min standards of structural engineering services?
  
• Role of Structural Engineering Associations in improving engineering design standards

b) Structural Engineering Consultancy Fees - Moderator- Dr. N Subramanian, USA/Chennai

• Why are Structural Design Services not able to command better fees? Who is to blame?
  
• Why is there so much undercutting of fees between Structural engineers?
  
• Is the practice of Structural Engineering viable in the current fee structure?
  
• What can be done to improve the situation?

c) What is role of the Structural engineer in the next decade? - Moderator- Er. Alok Bhowmick, New Delhi

• Increasingly, routine projects are reduced to computer modelling and design and afford little space for engineering innovation from the thinking engineer. Where does the innovative engineer fit in?
  
• 什么行业会看到一个更大的机会在gineering creativity- Infrastructure, Tall Buildings, Large Span structures, Construction technology...?

d) How do we regulate the Structural Engineering Profession? Moderator - Er. Nilesh Shah, Surat

• Creating a Professional Identity
  
• Techno Legal regime for professionalisation of the Industry
  
• Professional Indemnity
  
• Framework for Continuing Education

e)公务员的教育(结构)引擎ering in India - Moderator- Prof Rupen Goswami, IIT Madras.

• Paucity of good teaching resources in most civil engineering colleges.
  
• Poor preparation for industry- Good colleges especially IITs have reduced student exposure to structural engineering core subjects
  
• Poor continuing education opportunities

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[narasimhulu]

Dear SIRS,
Civil / Structural engineer is the ideal profession and respected by
society and all of us(People selected based continuous all time
success people only eligible to do structural engineering) and our
aim is to develop new innovative materials society and continuously
monitoring status and growth of society. Which meet expectation and
ambition of other people in society.

1. I believe the people success and failed people equally appreciated.
i.e If a topper in engineering get appreciated and same way failed
person is to get appreciated equally in that particular group of
people.

Explanation:
If any of IIT /University /Institution/College/Class in any of group
is appreciating equally and says finally all are successful. . If any
case any of above mentioned institute / Schools failed candidate
sending out without giving any appreciation like completion /Passed
certificate will you believe to survives institute / Schools its
career in society.
Each and every failed candidate in society became a revolution in growth.

a. A person without education feared continuously is a become baba
/sami and create fear to society.
We need to over come these people. By follow is technology is god. Our
ancient and present Lord Ganesha is the first person to prey is how
the ganesh born is new technology at ancient period. It is s
Ancient story relate ganesha birth :
As growth is initiated based on safety, security and requirements,
Parvati wished to bathe, she posted Ganesha on guard duty at the door.
In due course, Shiva came home, only to find this strange boy telling
him he couldn’t enter his own house! Furious, Shiva ordered his army
to destroy the boy, but they all failed. This surprised
Shiva. Seeing that this was no ordinary boy, the usually peaceful
Shiva decided he would have to fight him, and in his divine fury
severed Ganesha’s head, killing him instantly. When Parvati learned of
this, she was so enraged and insulted that she decided to destroy the
entire Creation. At her call, she summoned all of her ferocious
multi-armed forms, the Yoginis arose from her body and threatened to
destroy all. Lord Brahma, being the Creator, naturally had his issues
with this, and pleaded that she reconsider her drastic plan. She said
she would, but only if two conditions were met: one, that Ganesha be
brought back to life, and two, that he be forever worshipped before
all the other gods.Shiva, having cooled down by this time, agreed to
Parvati’s conditions. He sent Brahma out with orders to bring back the
head of the first creature he crosses that is lying with its head
facing North. Brahma soon returned with the head of a strong and
powerful elephant, which Shiva placed onto Ganesha’s body. Breathing
new life into him, he declared Ganesha to be his own son as well, and
gave him the status of being foremost among the gods, and leader of
all the ganas (classes of beings), Ganapati.
b。人以教育和更communication will become
Politician /Business man and control the society / state / Country.
These people are fear great rarely and accurate property at once they
got opportunity.

c. A person with education and can not cannot accept competition will
become Security /Administration/ Human resources etc. al are with us
and continuously monitoring our performance closely. And the people
have great respect in engineers.

d. A person with highly educated is Engineers ( All ways successful
people) and engineers create new innovative new to society and
continuously monitoring status and growth of society.
And our Civil /Structural engineering is born ancient period and
basic requirement need of human shelter /House and road/path ways and
spreads in different regions. And presently high value in society.
Civil engineer initially is highly earned person:

‘2 Civil Engineering Structure maintenance, Project values,
and revenue against projects turnover is unaccountable such a big
industry is huge approximate turn over civil engineering projects in
India. Industry stakeholder is with us(Civil Engineering).Basically
Civil engineering projects require large amount of materials and
physical tolls to move or modify these materials. The engineering is
giving living hood & career to society speeding entire world and
strongly can tell each and every person using it services while living
in its places. Un fortunately ideal people is not able to live greatly
(expectation ) it is not happening due to lack of innovation in
society.

3 Make set standards.
Civil engineering is following old materials and methodology and it
require new technology in materials cement, Steel and other light
weight materials and having long life and durability and easily moving
less man power consumption. And suit present and future and safe to
human living.

4. Propose and new regulation to government to growth of
construction industry considerable amount investment done in Research
and development of civil engineering. Make a recommendation to advice
and approve from government project take into consideration.it is
proposed to used 30 to70% of money can be expected shared to human
resources and Research & development 30 to 40% for innovation new
materials.

a. Highly qualified engineers are available with construction industry
and Take action to improve in construction technology.
b. Highly qualified people “engineer” safety and privacy of engineers
deficient at present. At presently there is no proper payment to
engineer is sufficient to live in society.
c. And Engineers have to invent new thing new ideas is possible to get
highly qualified people can do things good to society only.
d. Engineer is a person to monitor and control growth of society. And
is continuously inventing new thing which is good to society. This
type of manpower abundant in civil engineering but unfortunately no
such inventions.

5. Engineering materials
Construction is industry have a part of pollution it cause harms to
human living by using construction martials and environment
deforestation. Cement is Basic ingredient vastly used construction
industry. and cement production of 390 million tonnes (MT) capacity
annual. And produce pollution while manufacturing of cement 1 Ton t
of cement will emission of 1 ton of C02.Construction industry is one
of source of accumulation of pollution.

6. Structural engineer is to take request to change of
materials time to time. Till the year 2000 Civil/Structural engineer
(Ruled the entire education) is the most brightest person in in
engineering than other profession. Now our aim to be get new
technology with in time , new construction materials and systems, as
well as innovate new processes and innovative approaches to problems
to solve. Sustainability aspects in design needs to be well
understood.

New breed of structural engineers need to have the skill and knowledge
towards sustainable design models and ensure that a drastically more
responsible approach is taken in development, balancing quality of
life with natural resources. This is the area where focus is likely to
be there in coming years.

If Brick layer JOSEPH ASPDIN Brick layer (mason) has invented a
material called “CEMENT” nearly 200 years back. At present Thousand of
civil engineers are available throughout the world any of civil
engineer tried / motivated to replace a material of cement. Which
meets change material property design /execution and followed by
client ambition.

We need to implement development to our technology continuously if it fails

Rules /Law/is Codes is made for safe guard of Ideal from the society.
We (Civil engineer) Have great structure mechanism (IS Codes) to have
a safe guard from human and same way at presently we have to implement
same as per environment law which protect world environment,
Environment before it start revolution on human.

7. Civil Engineering is a profession ruled the society with it
abundant /Vast scope of works. And need to create by ourselves. Make
set standard regulation in civil engineering (All the department in
政府或有民事法律监督管理机构是女士eering students
because it has ruled the other in their education have great politics
can be managed)
a. Thousands / Lakhs of buildings are available in city or town
regulate the life of structure using with latest technology (non
destructive tests) and initiate new structures.
b. Each and every project / Institution/ State /Central government
bodies have a separate team for Research and develop team at every
place mandatory as per law (law is made for growth of ideal people).
c。结构工程师设计项目成功before project
execution and the same way the structure design after execution as per
materials.
d. Make large volume no of awareness/Training programmes to be
conducted Taluk, Distric, State, National& International level
programs to be conducted. And appreciated at all levels.
e. Programs are to conducted to financial sources by member of forum
and travel and foods provided by forum.
f. Happy executed persons / Forum /Firm has to conduct awareness
program regularly.
g. We have provide accommodate to people to live & transportation,
h. Civil engineering project completed successful in time with in
budget less than 10% only. Even fail incompletion in time we Can see
all engineers and almost all project executed companies are
successful.
i. Each and every structural engineering office become historical
monument or temple for people respect in future.

8. Civil Engineering profession fails to develop technology.
King will become servant and servant become king by exploring his
vision, needs, ambition, knowledge sharing & social services.
If English man fails to share its words language vision towards
society how the growth will be.
yahoo, Google, Facebook, what’s apps etc,. If a information technology
share knowledge to society.
Communication technology in Mobile technology fails to share knowledge
to society
Structure standard practices templates design knowledge new one share
to society that what is role of structural engineer.

I kindly request heads of dept change in rules of government to growth
of civil /structural engineer or initiate technology growth and
control of society.
9.Make a acknowledge receipt of communication. I am not
expert in writing essay paragraph forgive me any unwanted / things
written by me. And i did Structural engineering and failed in career
and practice in civil engineering.
With Regards,
Tekuri Narasimhulu.


On 2/8/16, sefi_admin wrote:

[N. Prabhakar]

Dear SEFI Admin,

我一直遵循E-Conf过去10 days with interest.� Most of the postings are all about the bad things in our consultancy practice, Education system, consultant's fee, regulation authorities, etc. which we all know about them.� There are more complaints than the suggestions in these postings, and some of them have hit a six as these writings are beyond the scope of the E-Conf..� The most annoying part is that these writings are too lengthy with the inclusion of other's postings also, which many may skip reading these lengthy writings and thus become less effective.


I suggest you to request the participants, for the remaining periods of E-Conf, to restrict their writings to about 300 words only, without including the writings of other participants. I trust that this suggestion will be looked at in true spirits.�


With best wishes,


N. Prabhakar
Chartered Structural Engineer
Vasai (E), Pin 401 208�


On 8 February 2016 at 08:58, sefi_admin forum@www.buonovino.com)> wrote:
[quote]Dear All:�



SEFI is proud to announce an econference after a long time!� Its Live now! Come and participate, discuss, debate online by replying to messages, posting your own thoughts via email, or via web forum as detailed below. Mails should go toeconf@www.buonovino.com(econf@www.buonovino.com) (econf@www.buonovino.com (econf@www.buonovino.com)) in the format detailed below and also explained here at�//www.buonovino.com/?q=node/678
�


Inspired by the very successful, hot �and well debated discussions on Consultancy Fee Structure, SEFI is expanding the issue to a full fledged econference on �"The State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education in India".�
�



The econference will be from today, Feb 8 to Feb 21. As the topic is vast, in order to manage the discussions, SEFI has divided the econference broadly into five topics each of which have their own Subject Moderator. The subjects are only broad indicators and the econference is not confined to just these topics but may be extended to relevant subjects.
�



Structural Engineering Practice is going through trying times. Some�industry seniors� have gone so far as to� calling it a sunset industry.� It is quite probable that in the next ten years time,structural engineering practice as what we know it today will cease to�exist. What will emerge in its place� can only be speculated upon.But it is increasingly apparent that there is a deep churn that�demands� ponderance.
�




a)�Quality of Services of Structural Engineers and the conflicted Architect -Structural Engineer relationship�-�Moderator: Er. Hemant Vadalkar, Mumbai��

• Why is there a deterioration in services of structural engineers?
• Increasingly conflicted relationship with architects due to poor and delayed payments and compromised structural options as a result of which most engineers do not wish to work for architects.
• Roles and responsibilities of Structural Engineers
• How do we define and maintain min standards of structural engineering services?�
• Role of Structural Engineering Associations in improving engineering design standards

b) Structural Engineering Consultancy Fees -�Moderator- �Dr. N Subramanian, USA/Chennai

• Why are Structural Design Services not able to command better fees? Who is to blame?�
• Why is there so much undercutting of fees between Structural engineers?�
• Is the practice of Structural Engineering viable in the current fee structure?
• What can be done to improve the situation?�

c) What is role �of the Structural engineer in the next decade? -�Moderator- Er. Alok Bhowmick, New Delhi

• �Increasingly, routine �projects are reduced to computer modelling and design and afford little space for engineering innovation from the thinking engineer. Where does the innovative engineer fit in?�
• 什么行业会看到一个更大的机会在gineering creativity- Infrastructure, Tall Buildings, Large Span structures, Construction technology...?�

d) How do we regulate the Structural Engineering Profession?�Moderator -�Er.�Nilesh�Shah, Surat�

• Creating a Professional �Identity�
• Techno Legal regime for professionalisation of the Industry
• Professional Indemnity�
• Framework for Continuing Education�

e)公务员的教育(结构)引擎ering in India �-�Moderator- �Prof Rupen Goswami, IIT Madras.�

• Paucity of good teaching resources in most civil engineering colleges.�
• Poor preparation for industry- Good colleges especially IITs have reduced student exposure to structural engineering core subjects�
• Poor continuing education opportunities�

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2. Consultancy Fees
3. Future of Str. Engg
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[narasimhulu]

In each every time I/we think that I/we are the best in the industry/
society. And same time each and every time we have to prove our
technology and ourselves are the best. As per my knowledge 90% of
civil engineering projects is not completing in time due to so many of
reasons ( Structural engineers) have to find new solution which
meets complete projects in time.
In earlier time Teacher / Professor is high respect and highly earned
person in society (and became safe people). At present it is becoming
reverse in society due all people are frustrated and all better than
Teacher / Professor and Engineers.
We identify ideal people and good ideas came from ideal people and
failed person get frustrated idea which helps or destroy.
I requested our professional (Structural engineering) development we
need to identify ideal people who think differently than traditional
practice. Or Earlier principle practice “might is right” (By law)
With Regards,
Tekuri Narasimhulu
Civil Engineer


On 2/17/16, N. Prabhakar wrote:
[quote]Dear SEFI Admin,

我一直遵循E-Conf过去10 days with interest. Most
of the postings are all about the bad things in our consultancy practice,
Education system, consultant's fee, regulation authorities, etc. which we
all know about them. There are more complaints than the suggestions in
these postings, and some of them have hit a six as these writings are beyond
the scope of the E-Conf.. The most annoying part is that these writings are
too lengthy with the inclusion of other's postings also, which many may skip
reading these lengthy writings and thus become less effective.


I suggest you to request the participants, for the remaining periods of
E-Conf, to restrict their writings to about 300 words only, without
including the writings of other participants. I trust that this suggestion
will be looked at in true spirits.


With best wishes,


N. Prabhakar
Chartered Structural Engineer
Vasai (E), Pin 401 208


On 8 February 2016 at 08:58, sefi_admin (forum@www.buonovino.com)> wrote: