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[sunil sodhai]

in india there are two systems one where there is theory is taught and
practical knowledge is of no use,there is industry that has nothing to
do with college or institution,i went many colleges so that i attaches
to myself with colleges so that i can refresh theoratical background
but everytime they said your practical knowledge is of no use to us
,colleges said we are here to pass out students in university exam and
produce good marks in exams so that is state of education where
industry and education are two poles one is north and other is
south,it feel like that what is taught in colleges has only of
historical value.in developed countires that is not the case education
institution and industry are partner to solve each other problems by
coordinations,

On 2/21/16, nrk wrote:

[prof.arc]

Respected Engineer Mr. Prabhakar Sir,

I used the word "amusement" to refer to comments on teachers in various postings of this e-conf which were not complimentary
Assuming the teacher to be capable, he is required to follow a syllabus for courses as approved by academic council.
At UG level, only a few courses deal with structural engineering aspects as a part of civil engineering curriculum.
That is why I feel suggestion in the form of model syllabus should have been the aim to be achieved arising out of e-conf


Learning is a life long process - college education just gives an initial impetus to motivate life long learning.
I have taught for a very very long time. What I learnt at Bachelor level, has practically nothing to do with what I had to teach and research


Acharya Devo Bhava�


with regards
ARC (ARChandrasekaran)

Posted via Email

[rupen]

Dear Sri Ravi-jee:

Greetings!

Yes, I agree with you, but partially. Even if it is a genuine diamond, you still need someone, first to find it, and then to shine it. This is where academia comes in.

I completely agree with you that the purpose of education should not be just to get a job. I had touched on this on day one of this e-conference.

And about joining academia, this is the only place where you would get paid to learn! There is no end to that learning. And, yes, I do have freedom to choose:

(1) what to teach (my specialisation and interest),

(2) how to teach (try different methods of teaching including tweaking the curriculum, if required), and

(3) whom to teach (choose my post-graduate students, in particular).

It is a wonderful place to be in!

With warm regards...

Rupen Goswami






रुपेन गोस्वामी / Rupen Goswami, PhD

सहायक प्राध्यापक / Assistant Professor

जनपदीय अभियांत्रिकी विभाग / Department of Civil Engineering

भारतीयप्रोधयोगिकीसंस्थानमद्रास/印度性te of Technology Madras

चेन्नै ६०० ०३६ / Chennai 600036, INDIA

दूरभाश / Phone: 91 44 2257 4301 || फैक्स / Fax: 91 44 2257 5286 || वेब / Web:https://home.iitm.ac.in/rg/

Posted via Email

[B.V.Harsoda]

Dear All,
It is not easy to change engineering education standard immediately as we expect but we can do some thing for fresher by sharing our experience to them who desire to learn.
Forum can arrangeExperience based E-trainingfor different subject which are useful in structural design & detailing, proof checking, technical audit & structural execution at site including quality assurance & quality control.
E-training may be more effective if SEFI can think to establish regional and zonal level counseling centers at each state utilizing honorary services from our interested experienced senior members.


With Best Regards,

B. V. Harsoda

[Dr. N. Subramanian]

Dear Prof. Rupen

You have said that you are able to do the following:


(1) what to teach (my specialisation and interest),
(2) how to teach (try different methods of teaching including tweaking the curriculum, if required), and

(3) whom to teach (choose my post-graduate students, in particular).

It is because you are with IITM. Not all teachers will have such freedom, surely those with Private colleges will not have any freedom.


I wanted to ask one more thing to you.


我们已经有这么多的工程专业毕业生,由于to mushrooming of educational institutes. I believe there are 8000+ Engg. colleges in India (16.7 lakhstudents at UG level!). In additionNow-a-days universities are offering online courses, like NPTEL in India(Details are given for others at the end about NPTEL) . Will those who are passing these examinations also considered as Engineers? Can they also claim that they are consultants as they know everything offered by IITs?


Warm regards,
Subramanian




Info for others interested in NPTEL:
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NPTEL OFFERS 16 NEW OPEN ONLINE COURSES - ENROLLMENT OPEN
NPTEL, a project of the 7 older IITs and IISc, funded by MHRD, Govt. of India began in 2003,
whose primary aim was for faculty of these institutes to create content for courses in Engineering,
Sciences, Humanities and Management and make it available for free for anyone to view,
download and distribute. The contents are shared under the CC-BY-SA licence. There are 950+
courses in this mode on the websitehttp://nptel.ac.in
Since March 2014, NPTEL has begun the process of offering open online courses based on the
moocs model. The open course, for which enrollment is free, is followed by the conduct of an inperson
proctored exam, which is optional for a fee. Students can get certificates from the IITs by writing this exam. Some
statistics about this:
Completed as of December 2015: 93 courses
Enrollments on the portal: 6 lakhs+
Number certified: 14000+
Portal:https://onlinecourses.nptel.ac.in
NPTEL now opens 16 10hr-4 week courses for enrollment, which will begin on March 14 2016.
Last date for enrollment: 14 March 5pm
Exam dates for the courses: 24 April and 1 May 2016
Course duration: March 14 - April 15 2016
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[rupen]

Dear All:

After two weeks of intense brainstorming, we have finally reached the end of this e-conference. I acknowledge each and every one of your critical inputs, suggestions and criticisms that you have voiced; indeed there were quite a number of both thought provoking and pointed posts. But, this is not really the end. This should be seen as only the beginning of a long process of cooperation among all the stakeholders to improve the current state of our Profession. Also, it is amazing to see that the topic of �education� had maximum number of posts, either direct or indirect with change of subject. Nonetheless, it shows that collectively, WE still value it and consider it to be as important as ever. Therefore, here is my attempt to summarise the �critical points� discussed, and not necessarily highlight individual posts or ideas.

The domain of discussion ranged wide and far, from the highly philosophical realm of education versus literacy, to the more practical immediate question of how to make Structural engineers employable. In this regard, the following specific points were raised:

(1) Nurturing
It is important to nurture a young mind, in the right way, early in the career. There has to be role-models, and history of great achievements of the profession needs to be highlighted. In this regard, academia should consider inviting experienced professionals more often to give, at least, invited talks. And senior engineers from industry will have to pledge a little bit more of their precious time to enthusiastically deliver such talks.

(2) �Strong� Fundamentals
Having lack of grasp on the fundamentals of the subject is NOT an option, is perhaps opined umpteen numbers of times in various forms. Even qualitative reasoning of deflected shape, SFD, BMD, etc, is probably a more important item to be ingrained than sophisticated analytical tools at the undergraduate level. Academia will have to take note of this and act accordingly (in terms of modifying conduct or structure of courses, or even curriculum).

(3) Skills
While knowing is important, it is not enough. To be able to communicate is perhaps more important. More number of small term paper or project based presentations as part of regular courses could help students develop better communication skills. Also, design studio based activities could help students learn to work in groups and debate contradicting ideas. In all these, engineering drawing (manual sketches and drawings to CAD) is an essential tool and must be harnessed as an integral part of regular design courses. Academia will have to work towards helping students develop these skills.

(4) Training
The notion of �gap� between academia and industry is probably a misconceived one. Training is an integral part of any professional service (reminds me of the mention of military training!). In case of Structural engineers, this has to be imparted to young aspirants in two stages, first, as industrial training as part of the curriculum, and then, as an initial phase of training as part of the practice. The so called gap can be narrowed down significantly through proper training, and industry has to contribute strongly for the cause.

(5) Character
A profession is as strong as the character of the professionals. Seeing compromise around not only weakens the character of a young engineer, it leads him to wrong path. Academia should stop compromising on quality of education imparted and industry should stop compromising on quality of service provided. But who is academia and industry? First, it is each and every one of us, the senior, the teacher, the boss. We need to �introspect�. Needless to say, this is the most challenging task at our hand.

I thank one and all for actively participating in this e-conference. If I have missed any specific or significant point, it is not intentional but I apologise for that. I hope that each one of us had something positive to take home from this e-conference to make our Profession better.

With warm regards...
Rupen Goswami
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Posted via Email

[rupen]

Dear Dr. Subramanian:

Yes, I am privileged to be at IITM. But can others really not try and do anything? Nobody comes and gives you freedom on a platter, no matter where you are. At least in your class, you always have freedom to teach the way you want to teach.

About the NPTEL courses, you are actually questing the very purpose of the whole programme. On your specific questions:
"Will those who are passing these examinations also considered as Engineers? Can they also claim that they are consultants as they know everything offered by IITs?"
My blunt answer is no. Do you consider a distant education program certificate same as a university degree? I believe not. NPTEL offers a "certificate". Also, please recall on the first day, I tried putting stress on proper basic education over any form of continuing education, or anything else. I strongly believe that first, we need to establish minimum quality of basic education. These can then help add on to that basic education.

With warm regards...
Rupen Goswami

[VPandya]

Dear Sefi Engrs . ,
As you know USA is a country with Maximum Number of LAW SUITS in Structural Failures . My Prof ., Dr. J.E. Johnson atUniversity of Wisconsin , Madison was considered an expert in SHELL STRUCTURES . He was called as EXPERT WITNESS in many SHELL STRUCTURES failures . He would share his court experiences with us students .Here is an article to help Indian Construction Industry using Civil/Structural Engineering experts :
How Do you Become an Expert in a Specific Civil Engineering Niche?BYAnthony Fasano
From: ASCE News, 11^thAugust 2017 :Web-Link:


http://news.asce.org/ask-anthony-how-do-you-become-an-expert-in-a-specific-civil-engineering-niche/?utm_campaign=Comm-20170811-ASCEnews%20Weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua


Regards.


Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer

[VPandya]

Dear Sefi Engrs ,
Developing Engineering skills :MORE NEED TO BE DONE:

From : Latest ( 10^thNov. 2017 ) ASCE SmartBrief :


Commentary: More stringent requirements needed for future engineers:
The requirements to become anengineer have not changed in decades, and while civil engineering programs are rigorous, additional requirements are needed to prepare students for their professional engineering exams and the complexities of the real world, JonathanPatterson argues. The American Society of Civil Engineers' "Raise theBar" initiative calls for additional education requirements, and a report notes that the "exploding body of science and engineering knowledge cannot be accommodated within the context of the traditional four-year baccalaureate degree ."

Web�Link :

TheJohns Hopkins News-Letter (Baltimore)(11/9)


Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer